Jordan's Question

[Sandy]

Jordan please post your question/statement here.

Erik + Kirin please reply here with your answers as well.

[jordan]

Oh there's so much I'd like to know and so much to respond to already. But this isn't about me, it's about deciding which one of you deserves my vote less so I can vote for the other one. I'm not going to ask why you played one way or why you said something. I know very well ... too well ... how you both played the game and I'm basing my vote now on how you compose yourself in Final Council. And like Alyssa said, talking strategy in this arena is boring.

That said ... there was a lot of good in this game, but there was a ton of negativity too. It seems that even if you were safe from the vote, you were never safe from peoples judgements, both about the way you played the game and the way you looked. I'm guilty of it too, you don't have to tell me.

So both of you: please tell the jury about a time when you made fun of someone ON THE JURY or talked shit about someone ON THE JURY to help you get ahead. For example, I'll begin: in order to try and keep my ass off the chopping block when Zack was Chief, I laughed and said a few things about Ginny that I regret. I did not mean them, I was merely trying to get ahead in the game. But I'm not proud of it.
I know you both have experiences like this too. Plenty of them. Please give full details\, more specific is better. What exactly did you say? Who were you having the conversation with? Did you actually believe what you were saying? Why did you feel the need to talk shit about someone else? Did it work? Ps - anything said in the Final Tribal Council about each other doesn't count!

[erik]

Aug 6, 2008 19:36:42 GMT -5 jordan said:

Oh there's so much I'd like to know and so much to respond to already. But this isn't about me, it's about deciding which one of you deserves my vote less so I can vote for the other one. I'm not going to ask why you played one way or why you said something. I know very well ... too well ... how you both played the game and I'm basing my vote now on how you compose yourself in Final Council. And like Alyssa said, talking strategy in this arena is boring.

That said ... there was a lot of good in this game, but there was a ton of negativity too. It seems that even if you were safe from the vote, you were never safe from peoples judgments, both about the way you played the game and the way you looked. I'm guilty of it too, you don't have to tell me.

So both of you: please tell the jury about a time when you made fun of someone ON THE JURY or talked shit about someone ON THE JURY to help you get ahead. For example, I'll begin: in order to try and keep my ass off the chopping block when Zack was Chief, I laughed and said a few things about Ginny that I regret. I did not mean them, I was merely trying to get ahead in the game. But I'm not proud of it.
I know you both have experiences like this too. Plenty of them. Please give full details\, more specific is better. What exactly did you say? Who were you having the conversation with? Did you actually believe what you were saying? Why did you feel the need to talk shit about someone else? Did it work? Ps - anything said in the Final Tribal Council about each other doesn't count!

Sounds like someone still has a stick up their ass. You want not boring? Stop being a whiny little baby. You aren't the first person to get screwed over and you certainly aren't the only person in this game to get screwed over. In fact, if I remember correctly, you screwed over, lied to, and threw a few people under the bus yourself, so please stop acting so high and mighty. Instead of acting like this, maybe you should suck it up like others have, and I'd respect you so much more like I do them. I'm definitely not here to kiss your ass or anyone's. I'm gonna answer everyone's questions as honestly and effectively as possible, and you're either gonna vote for me, or vote for someone I have no problem seeing win this game. Simple as that. /End rant.

On to your question.

What the hell? You're assuming there are plenty of experiences of me bashing the hell out of people? Believe it or not, I don't like having shit talked about me, and so I don't like talking personal shit about other people. I feel too bad about it. Unless you really piss me off, then chances are, I'm gonna talk shit about you because of what you did!

I made fun of Melody a lot, but that's because I know she'll never read this and because it's a big joke between everyone. You wouldn't get OFF her case the other day in the challenge chat, all you did was bash Melody over and over.

I made fun of Matty Flav a lot, but that's only because he was talking shit about other people first, and I didn't appreciate that at all. Plus I know he likes everything I say about him :]. Speaking of Matty Flav, wasn't he your ally? Didn't he say a bunch of personal shit about the people on my side?? And yet you still support him because he was your ally and friend....hmm....sounds familiar?

I bashed Kylee all the time because she made me feel like absolute shit and cussed me out and drove me to the point of insanity, but if you knew Kylee, you'd know I had every reason to say shit about her.

I rarely said anything about people I didn't think deserved it...people that didn't do something to me or someone I was close to first.

Now, to your actual question, you did say you wanted shit talk about people ON THE JURY, so let's see what I can come up with....

In terms of personally making fun of people, I joined in on a lot of it with my allies, because it was fun and because well of course I'm gonna laugh along with them! When people said Zack enjoyed licking Hooker's bald spot, I laughed! When Ginny said she wanted to do sexual things to Zack, I laughed! Stuff like that, stuff that doesn't even mean anything, it makes the game fun. And I'm really just a fun-loving person who takes everything lightly and likes to laugh and enjoy myself. So sue me, I wouldn't take any of that personally, and I hope others didn't either.

When Matty Flav says really personal shit about my friends though, it pisses me off. I would never go out of my way just to say shit to people. When people were saying personal shit to Ginny's face, I definitely wasn't happy about it, and I had no part in that, so I don't know why you're just lumping me in. I would never say stuff like that to Ginny who has done NOTHING to offend me in any way.

There's a few jurors for ya! Let's see....when you were voted out I said things about you Jordan, I was pissed off because I heard you were saying crap about me behind my back, and it seems you've still got a chip on your shoulder. But...you want something specific I used in order to get ahead? When Caydie and Britt voted Zack out, he was pissed off, and I agreed with him because I was pissed off too. Did I personally attack them? No. I simply said some things to Zack about how I was pissed that they'd turn on us after all we'd been through together, especially Brittany. I was more so disappointed because Zack and I felt really close to her and we felt betrayed by her, and I voiced my opinion on that to Zack and to Brittany's face as well.

Now, fast forward to next round, I definitely went off that while trying to get Eddie to join me and Kirin for a Final 3. I said everything I possibly could to get Eddie on my side, including things like "We're the people that have faced elimination, we're the ones winning challenges, Britt and Caydie were in the middle of everything and weren't targeted, we should go all the way to the end". I don't believe this is extremely personal stuff, I mean it was true in my eyes haha. At the merge, there were two sides....Chico and Chavin, and neither Britt nor Caydie was ever made a Los Menos because they weren't seen as being at the top of either alliance. In fact, if I'm correct, every single person except You, Caydie, and Brittany were made Los Menos, and you were Chief half the time lol. I think they played those rounds beautifully, however I definitely used it against them when I needed to make that Final 3. Call that shittalk if you want?

I also shattalked Brittany all the time, for strategy? Maybe a little since I know she loved it ; ). But mostly it was just for fun...because I wanted someone I could talk shit about freely haha. I told her to fuck a walrus. I told her the moment her torch was snuffed was the best moment in the game for me by far. I told her I orgasmed when it was snuffed. I told her she was a stupid bitch. I made fun of every mistake she ever made. I probably called her dumb, retarded, disgusting, and a cornucopia of other distasteful things. I said I hated her on a daily basis. It's hard to remember everything really, please forgive me, there's a looooot to go on. But yeah, you get the idea!

[britti]

hahahahahah erik you are fantastic!

[kirin]

Hey Jordan.
I told Ginny that I thought Alyssa was mean and just wanted to be popular or something like that. I was trying to get Ginny to think I was against Alyssa so she would not target me. No, I didn't mean it, I mean Alyssa is mean, haha, but not to me, so there's no reason for me to hate Alyssa.

The other way around, I was constantly making fun of Ginny along with the other Chavins, like I would call her Ginny Pig and fat and all that with them. I know they were mad about me talking with her and stuff, so obviously I needed to let them know I was with them, which was the truth. So even though I really shouldn't have said those things about Ginny, I meant them, because I meant the fact I was staying with the Chavin people.

I never really talked shit about you, Jordan, until you were voted out and were being extremely bitter. So I'm not sure how much game there was in that, I guess just to keep letting Zack/Erik know I was with them? I did mean this, because it was true, lol.

I talked shit about Eddie when he was being all cocky after winning that endurance immunity and him knowing he had the numbers to get rid of Zack. I just was telling Erik how he was being extremely cocky. I also loved when Erik said something it was like "all he had to do was sit on his ass for 11 hours and post" haha. But again, I'm not sure how much this helped my game, because I know Erik knew I was with him at the time.

I don't really think I talked shit about them, but like Erik, I was telling Eddie how Caydie and Britt floated through the game switching from side to side, just so Eddie would know I was with him to go to final 3. And I did mean it, because I was being honest with Eddie.

[jordan]

Good answers! I really wasn't trying to be bitter guys .. I was just trying to get some interesting answers out of you and I definitely succeeded. And Erik I fully admitted in my question that I was as guilty of talking shit as anyone else. This was more about seeing how you guys kept your composure, rather than the answers themselves. Nicely done